No shame there. The whole Ultimate continuity, in my opinion, was a pretty good idea on Marvel's part. It exposed a lot of people in my generation to plots and characters that were otherwise pretty unknown to all the new fans that came along with the X-Men and Spider-Man movies. It's just a shame that people neglect to realize that Ultimate =/= 616.
But, you are entirely right about the misogynistic comments. It was the way the world was back then and most of the men were written like that. Hell, even the girls were written with attitude in mind. (One of my favorite examples being Mary Jane Watson, who, upon discovering that Peter Parker was Spider-Man decided to go out DANCING! And that was a freaking retcon issue.)
Jan's certainly guilty of some ridiculous behavior, but that's often over looked because, apparently, someone at Marvel decided they liked her enough to allow her some redemption. The way he's treated by his peers constantly amaze me, especially considering the fact that Jan, herself, has forgiven him.
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Date: 2012-05-31 12:33 am (UTC)But, you are entirely right about the misogynistic comments. It was the way the world was back then and most of the men were written like that. Hell, even the girls were written with attitude in mind. (One of my favorite examples being Mary Jane Watson, who, upon discovering that Peter Parker was Spider-Man decided to go out DANCING! And that was a freaking retcon issue.)
Jan's certainly guilty of some ridiculous behavior, but that's often over looked because, apparently, someone at Marvel decided they liked her enough to allow her some redemption. The way he's treated by his peers constantly amaze me, especially considering the fact that Jan, herself, has forgiven him.